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When Defense of an Icon Goes Bad

Note: this is not an attack on Calipari, who most of you know I'm not too fond of. While I do think that there are very valid criticisms to be made of Calipari both as a game-day and ethical coach, right now isn't the time to bring up those criticisms (because Cal has had a very good record of late, and is in the middle of his most promising season to date at Kentucky). So this isn't an attack on him or his character, but rather an attack on the notion of creating shadows to support an illusion.

I regularly visit a few of our SB-Nation SEC sites, the very popular A Sea of Blue among them. Typically I avoid most of the opinion articles there -- frankly, about half of them are complaints about how everybody is out against them and that nobody gives Coach Cal an ounce of respect, or how tough it is to be a team sporting multiple #1 recruiting records and the winingest record historically. (Which, were I a Kentucky fan at all I wouldn't mind, but as a rival? It gets a bit old.)

So it doesn't come as a surprise to me to see this response to an article written by an NBA contributor for SB Nation, Jonathon Tjarks. But, uhm. Do you really want this guy to be as aSoB commentator jc25 quickly points out "one of my favorite basketball writers"? Really?

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The gist of the portion of the article that praises Calipari's honesty is that while he was rebuilding at Memphis he had Dajuan Wagner average 21 points per game and that Cal was the lean with him to go pro rather than return for his sophmore year for the Tigers. Three years later Wagner was diagnosed with a career-ending injury after garnering 8 million dollars playing in the NBA.

This just in: Cal is the only person to encourage players who are ready to play professionally to be one-and-done. "If he had played for a more traditional coach," Tjarks says, "Wagner might have nothing to show for his career... Calipari could have sold him on the value of a college degree and playing for the love of the game, but it's not really a game for the players Calipari recruits, it's life."

I don't think it's "dishonest" for Cal to recruit players who want to play in the NBA sooner rather than later, nor is it wrong to encourage a player to do what is in his own best interest (and in the interest of his family) rather than sticking around in college. But to suggest that the practice of funneling players to the NBA doesn't directly benefit Cal is ludicrous, and the notion that he is only encouraging these players to go pro out of the unfathomable graciousness in his heart is turning a blind eye to the very tangible benefits Cal gets by having 12 players drafted into the NBA over the last 4 years.

But the real issues that I have with Tjarks, and his article, is what you won't find quoted on A Sea of Blue.

College basketball is a multi-billion dollar business which explicitly forbids its players, many of whom come from inner-city neighborhoods where their entire extended family is trapped in a cycle of poverty that goes back generations, from receiving any money for their talents.

Indeed, this just in: training under a coach, access to state-of-the-art weight rooms and diet schedules, a medical team to keep you at the top of your physical capabilities, and, oh, a college degree certainly falls under "not receiving any money for their talents." While this touches on yet another issue of amateurism, it is ridiculous to say that a basketball scholarship to Kentucky is without any value. Indeed, 12 players over the last 4 years, and likely several more on this team, are going to receive millions when they put their name forwards for the lottery.

Still, none of these are my real problem with Tjarks, nor the reason that I find it appealing that any fan of any College would want to defend him just for writing some moral justification for your coach.

When your rationale for defending cheating comes down to

Ignore the absurdity of worrying about whether a 21-year-old college student would accept cash for playing basketball...

and

He was supposed to accept losing millions of dollars because he couldn't pass an ultimately meaningless test that would have no bearing on his professional career?

am I seriously supposed to think highly of you for defending a coach? Especially after you have preached about how much Cal cared about the players... that he promptly fled from in the face of scandal or a be$tt$er$ job$ of$fer? Calling any college coach "honest" when you say "Don't blame college athletes for cheating" is the height of hypocrisy: if cheating isn't wrong, then neither is lying and all morality is just subjective to the ends by which the cheating takes you.

Do you really want to be the ones defending the journalistic ethics of someone who writes that "No one would blame a physics student for cheating on the bench-press in order to pursue his chosen career, and no one should blame basketball and football players for cheating on upper-level math exams or plagiarizing graduate-level papers to pursue theirs."? I mean, this just in: you don't have to play in the NCAA to play in the NBA.

Look, rules exist for a reason, and whatever you want to say about the situation it ultimately boils down to the fact that rules were broken under Calipari's watch and, subsequently, he was punished for them with his two most successful teams having to vacate what they accomplished.

Of course, I suppose us Tennessee fans should breathe a sigh of relief, shouldn't we? I am certain that Tjark's article about how Bruce Pearl was a victim of circumstance and stupid NCAA rules is right around the corner, right?

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Good post

The whole basis for the article is flawed. Regardless of how you feel about Cal, you can’t just assume that Wagner would have had the same injury luck if he had stayed at Memphis for another year. You could just as easily swing this argument to say had he stayed at Memphis for another here he would have been drafted by a different team and his NBA career could have had a different trajectory entirely.

If you want to write something about how Cal is the saint that UK supporters want him to be, I’m sure there is plenty of evidence – but this example is really a stretch.

It wasn't an injury to Wagner,

it was a very serious medical condition that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. It was going to occur regardless of where he was at the time. It is fortunate for him he went to the NBA early. Cal is not a saint, no one is, but he has done a lot of worthwhile and noteworthy things since he has been at UK, not to mention success on the basketball court. I agree with you guys that the NBA guy is definitely taking an ends justifies the means approach and I for one do not agree with it.

Ah, fair point

Lesson number 848297481 on why you read the whole article.

You should post this on the Kentucky blog
he posted the link to this article over there
well put

You can certainly make an argument (as he does, fairly well) that Cal cares for his players (although that caring, as you point out, also benefits Cal), but when you’re making a stand on the whole “college athletics rules are stupid, so it doesn’t matter whether or not you violate them” point, I’m not really apt to lend weight to your opinion on who the honest ones are. Especially since, as you point out, the rules (while certainly able to be criticized in a number of ways) aren’t nearly as stupid as claimed. College athletics still include college, and college athletics still aren’t the only way to the NBA.

This guy may know the NBA, but judging from this article, his ideas on the ethics of college sports are pretty tough to swallow.

Kentucky fans are always putting the lol in ASOLOL
Interesting post, Bobo

First, I’d like to say that I read Rocky Top Talk a fair bit as well. Y’all have a great site and Joel is one of my favorite SBN writers.

When I said tjarks is one of my favorite basketball writers, I should have said that he’s one of my favorite NBA writers. Jonathan hardly writes strictly about college basketball, and as you can see from his toolboxes, his CBB writing is generally NBA-slanted. For an example of why I love his NBA stuff, check out his write-up on the “Mediocrity Treadmill”, pretty much the reason why have a love/hate relationship with Daryl Morey (my favorite NBA team being the Rockets).

As for tjarks’ feelings on the NCAA, let’s just say he’s about a big a fan of it as you are of Calipari. He’s consistently bashed the NCAA and the entire concept of amateurism before professional sports. He wonders why players can’t major in basketball. He’s not exactly pro-cheating; well, maybe he is. What bothers him the most is his belief that the system doesn’t give future professional athletes their best shot at becoming the “best they can be” in their chosen field. As I mentioned in the comments, he’s not really taking a pro-Calipari stance where it pertains to Cal and UK, but a pro-athlete stance to the players Cal coaches. I don’t think it’s arguable that of all college coaches, Calipari has done the best job in recent years of putting players in the NBA while optimizing their talents—not just the Derrick Roses and John Walls of the world, but also the Chris Douglas Roberts and Josh Harrellsons as well.

Clearly, it’s not a black-and-white issue, and I agree with you that “if cheating isn’t wrong, then neither is lying and all morality is just subjective to the ends by which the cheating takes you.” I just think (as tjarks happens to think), that when it comes to the NCAA, it rubs both ways.

I think the basketball or really any sport major would be great for college athletics.

I’ve always found it to be a point of hypocracy to suggest that majoring in athletics is such an insult to the education system while we have students going to school for drama and music.

Great point.

Entertainment is big business. When the average Joe (or Josephine) has to work a lifetime to gather a few possessions and obtain a dignified retirement, musicians, actors and ball players end up millionaires. Where is the difference?

The difference

Is the 99.99% of student-athletes who will never make ONE million playing any sports. What good does majoring in football or basketball do for them? And don’t tell me they should major in something else then because that’s just disingenuous.

Almost as disingenuous as praising a coach for getting kids in to play for him any way he can just for a quick championship when, if the kids professional well-being was truly what he was about, he should be telling them to go pro straight from high school.

What a load of bs this whole argument is.

To your first point

I’d ask well ok, how many theater or music majors end up in hollywood or on broadway? Most of them end up either teaching, working in some other capacity in the industry or doing something else entirely. I’d think the same would occur with sport majors. JMO.

Disclaimer: I disagree or have a different perspective with most of what the originating article states, but I do think sports majors as a general idea would be good for college athletics.

There are many, many more opportunites for theater and/or music majors

Then for someone that majors in “football”. Not saying the theater majors become millionaires, but there are far more opportunities for them then someone who has spent 4 years learning how to run routes.

Logistics!

But, yeah, this. People who make the ‘majoring in sports’ line forget that there’s more to college sports than the cream of the crop. For many people it is just one of the very limited opportunities they get to fulfill their dreams of going to college at all — especially those who don’t have the mental clarity and acumen to rise out of the situation they might have been born into. There are over 380,000 student athletes, and most of them will be going pro in something other than sports.

Logistics answer = applause.

rec for that.

you could add philosophy, english, psychology, and quite a few others into that mix
I think your view of the idea is too narrow.

UT and many other schools have a sports management major right now and all I’m talking about is expanding that to include majors or concentrations in specific sports. Why not have a curriculum that includes things like the west coast offense and the zone blitz…. but also things like salary caps, negotiation, player development principles, sports administration, sports marketing, even officiating…

Plus its not like music majors spend 4 years practicing scales.

Necessary to read, I think.

Plus its not like music majors spend 4 years practicing scales.

You obviously don’t know too many music majors ;-)

Because there is no career in the West Coast Offense or Zone Blitz that I know of.

You want to be an agent, the have a curriculum and major that will get you there. Sports Management and marketing exist for the same thing.

I’m not the one that made it narrow.

If you major in a specific sport, football or basketball, please tell me what the hell that gets you if you don’t go pro? Can y ou coach or teach? No, you have to have an education degree and certificate. Can you practice sports medicine for football injuries? No, you have to have a sports medicine degree and background. Can you market a football team? No, you have to have a business/marketing degree.

I understand this concept, but it seems to me the easier route is just to tell the kid to take his ass on to the NBA or MFL if he wants and not waste the time of the university or the space of another athlete that wants an education just as much as they want to run through the T.

School is school and a free education IS valuable. Pro league are pro leagues and if you’re good enough, go play.

Music majors can take their degree and write musical theory, be a studio musician, band teacher with certification, etc. etc.

Football majors could do……what?

Blog.
Sorry.

tl:dr version.

I’m right, everyone else is wrong. :-P

Oh wait,

naoicwatudid

No clue what the MFL is either

but sounds interesting.

To coach high school yes, you probably need some type of education degree or certification

At the college level, I don’t know the rules are. To coach with a college team or work on the support staff, I don’t know if they have the same regulations, maybe they do. To work at a camp or athlete development organization like D1 I would think that expertise in the sport (ie a degree) would be sufficient. The NFL, UFL and CFL etc. wouldn’t have any type of certification requirements either that I know of, I imagine you just need to know your stuff.

I obviously haven’t thought of every loophole or hurdle that would come with this, I just like the concept.

to coach college, ask Dave Serrano what you need
Free Throw Technique 101 should be

a required class for basketball majors.

Are there? There are a lot of football related opportunies out there.

Coaching, administrative, public relations. I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t as many if not far more sports related jobs than music or acting.

Facepalm for you sir.
Because there is no career in the West Coast Offense or Zone Blitz that I know of.

You want to be an agent, they have a curriculum and major that will get you there. Sports Management and marketing exist for the same thing.

I’m not the one that made it narrow.

If you major in a specific sport, football or basketball, please tell me what the hell that gets you if you don’t go pro? Can you coach or teach? No, you have to have an education degree and certificate. Can you practice sports medicine for football injuries? No, you have to have a sports medicine degree and background. Can you market a football team? No, you have to have a business/marketing degree.

I understand this concept, but it seems to me the easier route is just to tell the kid to take his ass on to the NBA or NFL if he wants and not waste the time of the university or the space of another athlete that wants an education just as much as they want to run through the T.

School is school and a free education IS valuable. Pro leagues are pro leagues and if you’re good enough, go play.

Music majors can take their degree and write musical theory, be a studio musician, band teacher with certification, etc. etc.

Football majors could do……what?
I dunno......stop pretending they are in school for any other purpose than to play football???
well obviously they often see themselves as only in school to play football

but the point of majoring in something other than football is to give them something to fall back on if football doesn’t work through. those who see themselves as only in school to play football are often short-sighted. that’s why things other than football are required, not suggested

in this case, it’s not terribly different than diversification requirements. most students don’t like them, but that doesn’t mean they’re not a good thing

I guess my point is, if you go to a school that offers a degree in post-modern existencialism

then it’s your problem to figure out how to earn a living at it. Education is Education. It’s point is not to provide the ability to earn a living, but to learn about that subject which you are studying. Otherwise you couldn’t have guys like lawyers who turn into broadcasters…..

This also raises the point again that there needs to be a differentiation between the schools that are carrying major sports programs and the schools that are not.However that is another subject for another day.

I don't necessarily have principled disagreement with a major in basketball or football

such that I would find it unjust in some way for a school to offer it. But if I were in charge of a school, I still wouldn’t do it. Then again. . . liberal arts degree.

I am a 5 star recruit.

I am widely considered to be a sure-fire NFL prospect. I am “the [Fulmerized]” to many people. I swagger about the place and choose “football” as my major because, after all, the future is set in stone.

Many people were wrong. Not only was I grossly over-evaluated — not to the point that I’m a horrible player, but I’m simply “solid” and probably don’t have a future playing professionally in America (which was my dream, mind you), I suffer through off-season injuries that cut back my development; I stay in school four years, graduate, and cannot land on an NFL team.

Oh crap. I majored in “football”. I never wanted to be a coach. Now I have to be. If only I dedicated a portion of my time into pursuing something that interested me — maybe a role in communications, or elementary teaching, or __INSERT_DEGREE_HERE__ — then I would have a future outside of football.

Let’s be honest: most people who play on a football/basketball team in college — even in the SEC — go on to make a career out of something other than football/basketball. We tend to forget that, because there isn’t a “Computer Engineer Draft”, but that’s the reality of the situation: a majority of kids who are given an athletic scholarship use that to get a very real, very profitable (compared to alternatives) degree. Why should that change?

How important is your undergrad major though? Really?

Outside of engineering, accounting, and a few others, what difference does it really make what you majored in? If a kid is bright enough and right for the job, all he needs is the degree, not a degree in [whatever].

I think if they did it right – require the same core “liberal arts” courses that every student has to take, and then offer courses for the major that are geared toward a future in coaching, training, etc. – then a football major or a basketball major could be a good thing.

I wonder if you could also require a minor in a non-sports field

I don’t think anyone actually does this, but I see no reason that it’s in principle impossible (or even that hard). I know that Physics majors at my undergrad were basically required to get a math minor because it required Calculus I-IV and linear algebra.

To me that makes more sense than anything I have heard so far......
so you could see football/basketball majors

choose between, say, a business concentration or an athletic training concentration. So you essentially guarantee a business minor or an AT minor. I’m still not sure I’d support this (again, woo liberal arts!), but I don’t have any principled reason that it’s awful

sure.....who's to say they can't become a personal trainer for football guys,

or run a camp for youth who want to play college sports, whatever.

My Uncle was a very successful businessman in your home state. Owned a factory before his death that employed 150-200 people, manufactured parts for companies all over the world. His son now operates it. They have established a scholarship program at Tenn. Tech in Cookeville. He made his money without a college degree. Told me one time that a college diploma had nothing to do with his success, but it had everything to do with his failures.

He told me to get my degree. Get it in anything I wanted. But get a college degree hanging on the wall, so when some snot nosed “expert” comes walking in your door, and tells you that they are a college graduate, you can speak to them on their own level. Doesn’t matter what your degree is, they never bother to ask. But if you don’t have that degree, they will never accept you as an equal.

He said if I could get one in something that would make me money, great. But if I couldn’t decide on something that would make me successful in business, make it something that would make me successful in life. He lived a long life, built his business and saw it cost him one son (car accident on a business trip). But he never failed to remind me that college degrees open doors that are shut to other people. When I finally finished my degree work about 10 years ago, he was the first person I called. And I have never heard him happier. It just stuck with me that the kind of degree was not near as important as the degree itself.

Who knows what these guys could all do with a degree, but hey, what’s the next step in the evolution of sport???

It sounds to me.....

as though his major gripe should be with the NBA. They are the ones (via their collective bargaining agreement) who decided high-schoolers have to wait a year before going in the draft, not the NCAA. It seems to me that colleges like Kentucky are, as Bobo pointed out above, providing the players with a really first rate year of training. If they don’t want to expend the effort to get eligible and stay eligible, they can just hang out for a year, train on their own, play in Europe, whatever, then go into the draft.

I would LOVE it if the NBA went back to letting kids be drafted straight out of high school. This might help eliminate stupid situations like we have now, with basically an NBA farm team competing in the SEC.

I’m not going to start about Calipari. Not. Going. There.

You want to know something funny......
I would LOVE it if the NBA went back to letting kids be drafted straight out of high school.

Calipari said the exact same phrase in an interview with ESPN a few months ago. He only added this caveat…..

Until they do, I will continue to try and get the very best kids out there who cannot go to the NBA to come to Kentucky.

Also...

I think I’ve tried this before, and no dice; Bobo, will you marry me?

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