With three weeks to go, we have a pair of really interesting storylines: can Kentucky go 16-0, and which teams will emerge from the total gridlock behind them? Since conference play began, the assumption has been that this was a five bid league. But right now I could see as few as four or as many as six making the dance, and nine teams have to still be entertaining being among that group in the front or the back of their minds. With an amazing seven teams between 7-3 and 5-5, this is an especially difficult ballot, so as always your comments are appreciated. Read on and watch me stunningly resist the temptation to rank the Vols ahead of Florida.
1. Kentucky - 25-1 (11-0) - RPI 3 - KenPom 2 - BPI 1
Here's the thing with this bunch: they don't feel like it because Calipari's first UK team had so much flash with John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins, who were both more unique than anyone on this current team, and that 2010 team had all the Year One newness and hype...but this is Cal's best Kentucky team, and it may not be close. The last UK team to go 16-0 in 2003, with Bogans and Fitch? This team would embarrass them. Anthony Davis is a destroyer of worlds in the paint, but you can't say, "Well, we'll just shoot threes", because they're so long with Kidd-Gilchrist and Terrence Jones they block those too. How you get consistently unaffected shots against this team is beyond me. Semi-serious question: at what point does Cal decide to throw a game because he's worried his guys got bored? I could see them losing a second round tournament game because they weren't focused (like Princeton in the first round last year), but otherwise this should absolutely be a Final Four team at worst.

2. Florida - 19-6 (7-3) - RPI 26 - KenPom 19 - BPI 12
The Head to Head Police Department has no comment on the fact that the Gators are ranked above Tennessee. The Gators are still alone in second place in the standings, and are still in second in all three of the metrics listed on our ballot, so they hold at two despite getting dominated by the Big Orange for the second time this season. Before Saturday, we could say that the Gators simply did not lose at home. But in the light of Saturday's loss, the fact that Florida's only road wins this season are South Carolina and Ole Miss is a little more interesting, especially for a team that's getting ready to spend the week in Tuscaloosa and Fayetteville. Good time to catch Alabama without its four best players, eh?
3. Mississippi State - 19-6 (6-4) - RPI 44 - KenPom 72 - BPI 44
I'm glad I'm not a Mississippi State fan, because they would drive me completely insane. One week ago they gave up 88 points at home to an Auburn team that averages 63.6, barely escaping by three points. Not so lucky the next time in a 70-68 overtime loss to Georgia, also in Starkville. When they show up and actually decide to play defense, they've got the best chance to beat Kentucky (February 21 in Starkville). But that's certainly no guarantee on any night with this team, who will play four of their next five on the road with UK the only home date. Tennessee really could pass this team.
4. Vanderbilt - 17-8 (6-4) - RPI 30 - KenPom 30 - BPI 28
Apparently everyone agrees on this team's national worth, who threw some good punches in battling back against the Cats on Saturday night but still didn't have enough in the end like everyone else. Everyone involved with this team knows it will lose its six best players, so now has to be the time. They're at Ole Miss, at Georgia, and home against South Carolina in their next three before the tough finish: at Kentucky, Florida, at Tennessee.
5. Tennessee - 13-12 (5-5) - RPI 110 - KenPom 81 - BPI 84
With Alabama's four best players suspended and Arkansas incapable of winning on the road, the Vols move into the top five on our ballot. Tennessee is still suffering from their non-conference woes with losses to Charleston (RPI 116), Oakland (133), and especially Austin Peay (192). So despite UT's RPI being up 163 spots in that ranking since conference play began, the Vols are still a long, long way from an at-large bid. Still, Tennessee's two dominant wins over Florida are better than anything anyone else after the first four teams on our ballot has done this year. The Vols are 6-5 since conference play began and had their chances to win at Mississippi State and at home against Kentucky, as well as in a costly overtime loss in Athens. Tennessee's next three games are against the other three teams in that four-way tie at 5-5. No fate but what we make.
6. LSU - 14-10 (4-6) - RPI 75 - KenPom 80 - BPI 93
Here's where we play, "Who has the best losses?" The Tigers win that game among their former SEC West competition in the middle here, because their conference losses are at Alabama, at Arkansas, at Florida, at Mississippi State, vs Kentucky, and at Vanderbilt. They then got revenge on both Bama and Arkansas in Baton Rouge, and still own that 26 point win over Ole Miss. This is a team that could get on a serious run if they can beat Mississippi State in Baton Rouge on Tuesday, because after that it's at South Carolina, Georgia, at Ole Miss, Tennessee, at Auburn, and they could win every one of those games. The Tigers have just two wins against the RPI Top 100, but a strong run could boost them from the edge of the bubble conversation to the edge of the tournament itself. We'll see.
7. Alabama - 16-8 (5-5) - RPI 32 - KenPom 28 - BPI 27
They've got strong numbers across the board, but now without their four best players the week they host Florida and Tennessee, where do the Tide go from here? They bounced back nicely in the second half in Baton Rouge after their backups scored just 15 points in the first half, but still failed to get the win. They also lost at South Carolina earlier in the year, which is the Gamecocks' only SEC win. It's hanging by a thread in Tuscaloosa - very curious to see how Anthony Grant continues to handle this.
8. Arkansas - 17-8 (5-5) - RPI 64 - KenPom 93 - BPI 80
At home, they've beaten Mississippi State, Michigan, and Vanderbilt. On the road, they've beaten no one. In their latest effort, they were destroyed by Georgia - the worst scoring team in the league - 81-59. That's good news for the Vols, who will call the Hogs on Wednesday night. They do follow up with Florida and Alabama at home, if they can keep up their strong play there. 17-0 in Fayetteville, 0-8 elsewhere. Don't see that every day.
9. Ole Miss - 15-9 (5-5) - RPI 53 - KenPom 111 - BPI 81
The anti-Vanderbilt, no one can agree on them. I'm leaving them at nine, where we've had them for the last month, until they do something to separate themselves. The Rebels did beat Mississippi State in Oxford. Their other four SEC wins are Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, and Arkansas (who loses to everyone on the road). They've also lost to Auburn and in that blowout in Baton Rouge. Their RPI gets a huge boost from non-conference games against Marquette, Southern Miss, MTSU, and Dayton. They lost all four of those games, three of them by double figures. Impress me.
10. Georgia - 12-12 (3-7) - RPI 98 - KenPom 120 - BPI 110
Dawgs are riding high off back-to-back wins over Arkansas and at Mississippi State, and they're at South Carolina next. Finding ways to get it done recently despite very little offense.
11. Auburn - 13-12 (3-8) - RPI 132 - KenPom 172 - BPI 142
Losers of three straight, they're off midweek before hosting Mississippi State on Saturday.
12. South Carolina - 9-15 (1-9) - RPI 177 - KenPom 148 - BPI 157
Nine SEC losses, seven by double digits. Yikes.
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And then there's this today:
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
which requires
Beat Arkansas
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
That should be the primary focus, yes
I know we’ve been here before. Even with winning out, I still think there are toooooo many bad losses there. Let’s focus on each game and let things fall out where they may.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
we sure had a lot of bad losses last year (and a grand total of 14 losses)
Mississippi State (RPI 121)
Arkansas (RPI 130)
Charlotte (RPI 228)
winning out will do it, I’m pretty convinced. But I’ll believe we can do that when I see it. Beat Arkansas
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
It's funny how quickly you forget these things
I don’t guess I realized that those losses were quite so bad, though when you have 14 of them, you’re bound to have some crappy ones.
Forgetful Me would then reply that we had more quality wins last year…but did we really? We hung our hats on Pitt and ’Nova early, but ’Nova totally flamed out. Memphis only got in the NCAAT by winning the CUSA tourney. We were 0-5 against UK and UF. Our 2 best wins in conference were probably the two over Vandy.
So, I don’t think we have a win as good as Pitt, but probably not a loss as bad as Charlotte, either. I think you’ve convinced me…win out and we’d be there.
But first, beat Arkansas.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
Austin Peay points, waves, and laughs.
Chris Pendley - February 13, 2012
Austin Peay is merely 191 (according to realtimerpi.com)
That’s no 228.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
RPI says Austin Peay is better than Charlotte
but in general, I’d say our bad losses are roughly on a par with last year’s and our good wins are similar but are lacking Pitt. Beat Alabama and/or Vandy, and we can at least get close to that overall quality. But keep in mind that quality yielded a 9 seed, not a play-in game. Win out, and we have more wins and fewer losses than last year as well. Finishing 5-1 would put us in the bubble discussion, but likely on the wrong side of it without some SECT heroics.
But, you know, BEAT ARKANSAS
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
The Preseason NIT title...
was HUGE, we’d have been taken if we were even close to the “bubble”.
But our RPI was close to 30, I believe.
Caban - February 13, 2012
and "good wins" from last season...
Haven’t taken a step-by-step look at this season, but we had more than a handful of big wins.
Caban - February 13, 2012
crap formatting
.#51 Belmont twice
.#43 Missouri State
.#49 VCU at NYC
.#38 Villanova at NYC
.#10 at Pitt
.#28 Memphis
.#27 Vanderbilt
.#27 at Vanderbilt
Caban - February 13, 2012
also...
road wins and home losses count more than double home wins and road losses. (1.4 vs. .06)
Caban - February 13, 2012
er .6
Caban - February 13, 2012
we had four wins over single digit NCAA tournament seeds
sounds prettier when you throw in the RPI numbers, but three of those teams you listed wouldn’t have made the tournament as an at-large and a 4th was generally regarded a pretty terrible at-large selection (subsequent run notwithstanding). [this year, fwiw, we need UConn to stop their freefall and Vandy to fall at TBA to match that four win total]
Our RPI, if I recall correctly, ended up in the high 40s, not mid-30s. But we weren’t the only 14 loss team in the NCAA tournament. Check out Penn State (RPI roughly 50), Michigan State (RPI roughly 50), Southern Cal (RPI in the mid-70s) as others on the right side of the bubble.
And potentially weighting games with Stokes is still a wild card in all this
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
We were #34 prior to the NCAA Tournament...
with 11 top 100 wins, and 8 top 50 wins. Those lists are used in a team’s resume sheet during the committee meeting to select teams.
Caban - February 13, 2012
win #8 was at Georgia
Who was ranked #47 on selection Sunday
Caban - February 13, 2012
and even if we win out
we’re stuck at 5 top 50 wins and 8 top 50 wins (pending SECT)
I don’t have time to look it up right now, but do you know where Penn State and Southern Cal were sitting? Our resume isn’t going to get to last year’s resume, but I’ve assumed it could reach those two with another 7 wins (including SECT)
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
stats...
Penn State had 10 top 100 wins(both vs. #16 Wisconsin), 5 top 50 wins and 1 sub-200 loss. Were #39 in the final RPI.
USC had 8 top 100 wins, 4 top 50 wins, 5 sub-100 losses and 3 sub-200 losses. #67 in the final RPI.
We’d be comparable to USC, but our RPI should be somewhat higher based on the absurd weakness of the Pac10. 1/3 of their conference opponents were ranked higher than #160… that’s just terrible. And they didn’t have a road win that remotely approached our win at Florida.
Looking at the numbers without getting too deep, I’d say we could conceivably top out around #40 without an upset of Kentucky.
Caban - February 13, 2012
wow, that's a terrible resume for Southern Cal
we’ll top that easy with a 5-1 finish, even if we get bounced early in the SECT (as long as it’s not by Carolina or Auburn).
Now I’m not sure what got Southern Cal and Clemson in over Alabama and Virginia Tech, but I don’t see the field as a lot stronger or weaker this year than last, so right in the middle of that clutch of four is where the dividing line is. I think we exceed it by winning out. 5-1 would put us right in the middle of it.
And, as we’ve all been saying, this all requires BEAT ARKANSAS
also, I googled the final RPI standings from last year and what I got were vastly different than what you have. Mine had Clemson #52, SoCal #73, Michigan State #54, Georgia #52, Tennessee #41. Not sure where the discrepancy is coming from
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
Right now all we have is
Georgia is hovering just inside 100 to make it 4 wins against the RPI Top 100. We can’t pick up any great wins until Vanderbilt in the last game of the year, but we can get three good ones in a row right now.
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
Alas, formatting strikes again
UConn is 21st, Florida 26th in RPI
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
No Go, 'Zo (or Very Long Shot without a Lofton).
We either need to almost win out or have a selection committee miracle.
The committee would have to ignore the pre-Stokes period of the season. If they are willing to throw away that many games, then we have an argument worth discussing.
Otherwise, we need to get to the Finals of the SEC tournament and go 5-1 or 6-0 to wrap up the season. That’d give us a bye in the first round of the SEC. If I figure that correctly, we’d end up with 18 reg season wins, plus 2 in the tourney, to get to 20 overall.
The whole hot streak thing at the finish, 20 wins, plus the marketability of Zo-Pearl, may get us in. But, it’s a very long shot.
Beat Arkansas, willya?
memphispete - February 13, 2012
Nothing the Selection Committee does would surprise me...
No matter how bizarre. If we finish up the year on fire, I could really see them using some sort of logic completely opposite of their “whole body of work” mantra.
But the first order of business is:
sddbaker - February 13, 2012
this
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
IMO, bump Florida down to below wherever Tennessee is and bump everyone else up accordingly.
Just because that would make me happy.
TennesseeTyrants - February 13, 2012
I appreciate the T2 reference
We’ll be bahck…possibly in mid-March.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
Semi-serious answer: If Cal decides to actively coach from the bench...
memphispete - February 13, 2012
I really doubt Mississippi State is superior to Vanderbilt...
but I suppose a home loss does sort of overrule Vanderbilt’s better overall resume.
Also think the middle should be Arkansas, Alabama, Tennessee and LSU based on what I’ve seen. I’m sure by the end of the season I’ll be way off though.
Caban - February 13, 2012
Georgia just thumped Arkansas by 20+
that’s hard to look past
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
Alright, math friends, feel free to have fun with this:
RPIForecast.com has projected RPI numbers based on our final record (scroll down). They project that winning out would only merit the Vols a finish of 64 in the final regular season RPI. However, if you click the “with conference tournament” link at the top of the page, the Vols are projected to go as high as 35 (win out, win the SEC Tournament), but also have some bubble-worthy projections if the Vols finish 5-1 in the regular season and then win at least one game in New Orleans (a projected RPI of 58 for a 19-14 finish, 41 for a 20-14 finish).
What does this mean? I have no idea.
Beat Arkansas.
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
A 5-1 finish would mean 10-6, and almost certainly a first round bye
so winning one or two games in New Orleans would probably involve beating good teams, FYI
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
5-1 finish with one SECT win is the minimum bubble scenario, the way I see it
but it’d take either 6-0 and an SECT win or 5-1 and two SECT wins to make me feel like we’re on the right side of it.
all of which require that we beat Arkansas. Beat Arkansas.
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
I'm not sure if anybody's suggested this
But all of these crazy conversations should be on hold until we beat Arkansas. Hey, guys…beat Arkansas.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
Awesome...
I was looking for something like this today.
Caban - February 13, 2012
just finally had a chance to look at those
looks like the formula is pretty simple if the projections are right:
19 wins = bubble
20+ wins = in
18 or fewer wins = out
So bubble requires 6-0 and one win in the SECT, 5-1 and two wins in the SECT, or 4-2 and making the championship.
Getting pretty strongly on the right side of the bubble requires 6-0 and two wins in the SECT or 5-1 and three wins in the SECT (which, unless Mississippi State and Vandy finish really strong, actually means winning the SECT)
Beat Arkansas
Incipient_Senescence - February 15, 2012
Mike Griffith also tweets
that the Vols have a tentative agreement for a home-and-home with Virginia, starting next year in Charlottesville. The Cavaliers are 19-5 with four one possession losses and ranked 22nd at the moment.
Will Shelton - February 13, 2012
that'll be a nice arrangement
should be a nice opportunity for a quality win
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
Has there been a discussion here...
about Josh Pastner carrying on Calipari’s “we don’t need no Tennessee game” mantra?
sddbaker - February 13, 2012
guess Memphis moving to the Big East means they don't need us to schedule them in football anymore
it’s a shame we probably can’t get high-profile neutral site games lined up for the FedExForum. We can play higher profile teams than Memphis, but actually getting into the city is a trick
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
Yeah...
avoiding us in football is a huge mistake. They’re not going to get anyone to show up for home games vs. Cincinnati, Louisville and Connecticut.
I’ve never encountered a more ridiculous inferiority complex masquerading as a superiority complex before.
Caban - February 13, 2012
pretty much sums it up
Incipient_Senescence - February 13, 2012
That might be worth a drive down from DC
Depending on the exact timing, of course.
VolnVA - February 13, 2012
How many paragraphs was that tweet?
kidbourbon - February 16, 2012 via mobile
I'm getting the feeling that we ought to think of changing the website's tagline, from "The second-best way..." to
Beat Arkansas
David Hooper - February 14, 2012
If I couldn't get a picture of the door as a tagline, I'm not sure what we can do about this.
Chris Pendley - February 14, 2012
You couldn't make this happen?
Lobby more.
kidbourbon - February 16, 2012 via mobile
I don't know, y'all, has anyone thought about BEAT ARKANSAS as a key first step?
memphispete - February 14, 2012
Beat Alabama
Incipient_Senescence - February 15, 2012
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