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Reset: Lady Vols vs. Kentucky, 7 PM EST

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February 3, 2012
Knoxville, TN
7:00 PM EST

TV: ESPN2 /
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21-3 (10-1 SEC)
#7 (AP)
#7 (USA Today)
RPI: 9

17-7 (7-3 SEC)
#11 (AP)
#11 (USA Today)
RPI: 5


The SEC regular season race is all but sewn up. Even with a loss to LSU and a loss tonight, Kentucky still needs to drop one of their last four games to bring the Lady Vols into a tie for the crown. That's not likely, to put it mildly; Kentucky's other road games are in Tuscaloosa and Starkville (combined conference records of Alabama and Mississippi State: 4-18), and while their home tilts against Vanderbilt and South Carolina are tricky, they're surmountable. (Yeah, this paragraph hurt to type. Let's move on.)

A win for the Lady Vols tonight doesn't really do anything other than sew up the #2 seed come tournament time, which doesn't count for a ton. A loss puts Tennessee in a five-team tie at 8-4 heading into the home stretch including, a two-legged domination of Georgia, and Arkansas coming to Knoxville. (That isn't counting Vandy on the road against LSU and Kentucky, and South Carolina still has to face Georgia, Arkansas, and Kentucky.) In other words, even with a loss it's likely that Tennessee still ends up with the #2 seed.

Oddly, the fact there's so little riding on the game should be for the Lady Vols' benefit. It's a good opportunity for the Lady Vols to get out of their own head a bit. Matter of fact, Rocky Top Talk will make you a deal: play loose tonight and beat Kentucky and we won't start up Final Four talk afterward. Does that sound fair? Good.

Star-divide

Position Name Experience Height PPG RPG APG
lady vols logo G Meighan Simmons So 5-10 11.0 2.2 1.5
P Glory Johnson Sr 6-2 13.8 9.3 1.2
PG Ariel Massengale Fr 5-7 8.1 2.7 5.3
G-F Shekinna Stricklen Sr 6-2 14.9 6.4 1.9
G Taber Spani Jr 6-1 9.5 3.3 1.7
Kentucky Logo G A'dia Mathies Jr 5-9 15.1 5.3 2.6
G Bria Goss Fr 5-10 11.4 4.5 1.6
PG Amber Smith Sr 5-6 5.0 1.9 3.1
G Kastine Evans So 5-8 7.0 4.0 1.5
G Brittany Henderson Jr 6-2 3.7 3.8 0.4

So the last time these two teams faced off, the Lady Wildcats did a great job controlling large portions of the game - the first 32 minutes were controlled by A'Dia Mathies (and yeah, probably the rest of the team, but mostly Mathies with a little bit of Keyla Snowden), and while the Lady Vols did a good job of fighting back before getting hosed on a charging call that wasn't consistent with the rest of the game at all, it wasn't quite enough. Still, it's evidence that there's not much separating these squads; even a little correction or change like playing the game in Knoxville should be enough to swing the balance.

At this point, we know the story with the Ladies and their own heads. The last couple of weeks haven't changed anything, so the less said about it, the better. It's there (and if you haven't read either of those pieces, go ahead and read 'em, if only for a massive spoiler alert in the first and Hooper stealing the title for about 15 future posts in the second), we know about it, we'd like for something to be done about it, there's no guarantee something will be done about it, great.

The offensive game is simple; Glory Johnson should control the interior again (unless our favorite post-hating referee shows up, in which case I may just Fulmerize the game thread entirely), Vicki Baugh should have a blast, and even Alicia Manning should make some hay. That should leave Shekinna Stricklen and Cierra Burdick space on the wing and inside the arc (and hopefully outside the arc, in Stricklen's case), and Taber Spani - who was sorely missed - should get a few looks at least. And yes, Meighan Simmons, I see that you had 20 points on 11 shots in Nashville; keep it up. Ariel Massengale's job is deceptively complex, though; not only does she need to distribute well, but she needs to limit the team turnovers as much as she can.

The defensive game is also straightforward: bleed clock and take advantage of Kentucky's multitude of turnovers. There isn't a great ball distributor on this Kentucky team, nor is there a great shooter (Mathies is more of a driver than a spot-up shooter; of her 34 points in the first meeting, 10 came at the line and one of her two threes was a shot that still blows my mind). Preventing the 'Cats from aggregating a bunch of shots and running up a reasonably-sized lead is paramount, since we've seen that path once already. On a related note, controlling the glass - as always - is a big deal, but I'm not too concerned about that tonight, struggles against Vanderbilt aside.

It's no secret what Kentucky's going to try to do; cause chaos, force quick shots on the defensive end and take quick shots on the offensive end, and use the fact they're taking so many shots to fuel a win. It's effective, obviously (see the first game for what happens when it goes well), so in turn the solution is simple: don't do that. Control the pace. Ariel did a good job in January in her first exposure to this defense, so expecting a similar performance is fair. On a related note, I'd expect to see Briana Bass get a bit more PT than she did in Lexington due to her ball control abilities.

More than anything, just relax. Play your game, Ladies. This isn't hard, even if it feels like it is.

Prediction: 73-68, Tennessee. BassWatch: 9 minutes, first half. Ball control.

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Comments

It's tough to not just copy/paste your score prediction.

I like it.

I’ll go with: 69 – 61 Tennessee. Something a tad lower.

Also: BassWatch: 5 minutes, first half. At least get to the under-8.

I'm really hoping homecourt will be the difference.

There isn’t much separating these teams right now.

We're doomed:

Lisa Mattingly, Dee Kantner, Scott Yarbrough.

/2 fouls on Glory.

//opening tipoff

Welp, there goes the gamethread.
That was a foul, I think.
At least, so far as ESPN3's allows me to believe. It looked like contact on the wrist.
Already getting almost trapped and tossing wild passes
$$immon$$
Who is this person and what has she done with the Simmons I know?
I'm loving the crowd getting on Kanter right now.
What was that oob call?
Bad.

Welcome to Dee Country.

Kentucky is turrible at shooting.
Good Grief Vicki
Good Grief again
This is good 'kinna.
Good to see them calling off-ball holding.
Until they don't.

Dee Kantner!

Does Glory already have 2 fouls?
No, but you're forgiven for thinking that with Dee on the whistle.
No.

But they’re making sure it stays that way.

We need a post player instead of a 6'5 point guard
Yes, and we need Glory to stop a future Kentucky run.

Tough call.

Hello, Dee!

/wrists

WTF??? these refs are incredible
Nice lead given the zebra problems
This is a bit of a false lead.

Shooting percentages will even up, but right now this is imposing will.

Hello, refs!

Wow. And I was worried about Kantner…

So if that was a T it should be KY ball oob?
Not sure how that works.

I’m sure the possession was correct or Mitchell would have blown a gasket too.

The call was nuts

is she trying to say it’s illegal to hit a player with the ball when you are in danger of going OOB?

This crew is awful.

Not really sure how else to explain it.

If Glory had fastballed it into the girl, there might have been an argument for unsportsmanlike.

But that was clearly a game tactic, not an injury tactic.

I'm loving the crowd.

Seriously. Let ’em have it.

Mattingly is a freakin idiot

how can she possibly be that stupid??

That wasn't a speed foul that was a close call

it showed a blatant lack of knowledge

Come on Alicia - you can't make a pass like that

vs this team

Kentucky's really trying to cause Tennessee to lose their cool.

Hopefully the fouls keep coming and the anger doesn’t.

The refs are causing me to lose my cool
Trivia: when Kentucky lost to LSU,

they took 60 shots to LSU’s 30.

And the worst part is

Kantner’s probably jealous that Mattingly got to call a technical on Glory.

come on Burdick you can't pass to Vicki's ankles
That wasn't a shooting foul?

Not that one, the one before it.

I was wondering about that too.
8 and a half minute bonus.

The little things, at least.

amazing

and Taber hits a 3 and sits

...they called 3 seconds?

Was that actually 2.2 seconds?

this is perhaps the most disruptive ref team possible.

where do they find these people?

Ain't no party like a Dee Kantner party

because the rules change and aren’t like any of the other parties you’d ever attend

If Dee Kan't win, nobody wins.
Those were UT's first two free throws.

It only took the bonus to get there. Huh.

Urge to murder stand up comedian rising...

anyone else get that godawful “The General” commercial?

Not on the '3.
But if "stand up comedian" can mean "gameday referee"

I can sympathize.

Bass in at the under 8.
So close.

If they had switched the ‘Miko and Bass subs, I would’ve nailed it.

lulz...

my dog is passing noisy farts.
Is it weird that I find this so hilarious?

Your dog is calling this game?
Looks like KY is losing their cool
The key to beating Kentucky

is not playing down to their level.

And hitting shots like you know how
So this team, you guys.

This team is what we’ve been waiting for.

But I’m not talking about the Final Four.

Let it out, gals.

Let all that pent-up frustration out. And bury ’em.

It's frustration, sure, but it's everything else falling into place, too.

Well, except for Glory, but that’s not her fault.

And Tennessee is doing this without Glory in.

THAT is good to see.

I'm getting worn out just watching
I'm getting the feeling that maybe...

The Lady Vols are a little mad.

Heyo.

I can’t imagine the pressure they’ve felt.

So ...when can I start postgame?

::cough::

So yeah, this game?

Just get to halftime, gals.
That Simmons pass was a head scratcher

brain fart

and wtf is Burdick doing?
A foul?

On a loose ball scramble? Whaaaaa?

So ....was that the fourth-worst call of the half?

Third?

Depends on whether or not you include non-calls.
'bout freaking time they called that bump.
/BrucePealTimeline.jpg
DEE KANTNER DRINKING GAME

/rulesneednotbementioned

//BAC=0.35

There is no game.
///wasdrinkingwater
Are you saying Dee can perform miracles?
Or whatever the opposite is.

Yeah, that.

It's just polarity.
At least when it was a miracle

the water was transformed before they drank it.

So Tennessee is outrebounding Kentucky on their side of the court.

…yeah.

Taber was playing well and hits a 3

so we bench her and bring in Burdick who is noting but mistakes in this game???

Knee issues, maybe?
I'm kinda fine resting Spani in this game right now.
Mildly surprised Harrison hasn't shown up, though.
While I'm at it, kinda surprised Simmons didn't get a breather.

She was sucking wind at the end of the half.

Hot hand, though.

I’m glad she stayed in. She’ll need breathers in the second, but it was totally worth it for 18 points.

I doubt they are consciously resting Taber
Well, perhaps.

End results, though.

That would be fine but is there awareness on the committee?
I'll worry about it later.

Quite frankly, I’m not even going to worry about PT decisions if ’kinna’s controlling the game and Simmons is playing smart. That matters far more.

bet she starts the 2nd half
I'm gonna disagree with that assessment of what started the game.

It was the $$immons that set the tone.

And yes, that’s me praising Simmons.

Yup.

This exactly.

Simmons was doing great

and they were showing the Burdick mistakes during Kara’s summary

Kamiko Williams is second on the team with 4 rebounds.

Baugh has 5 and obviously Glory was on the bench, but it’s a good time to note that Kamiko has a knack for playing inside.

Baugh was doing work on the interior, I think.

Without Baugh, I’m not sure Tennessee cracks 12 boards on the half.

Foul trouble summary for the second half:

Dee Kantner’s on the court, nobody is safe.

Also: Glory on 4 2, Miko on 2. For Kentucky, Goss, Smith, and Bishop are on 2.

GLORY DIDN'T GET WHISTLED FOR A CHARGE!

Glory Contact Watch: 1 minute into the 2nd half.
She's still in????
This crowd has been aces tonight.

Even by our standards.

Good thing Taber is back in
Pacemaker: 85-55.
91-59 pace at the under-16
Most complete performance since ...when?

Georgia? Miami? 2010-11?

Georgia almost doesn't count.

But probably since Georgia in Knoxville.

Yeah, I kinda tend to agree.

On both cases. And if they don’t let up, it’s probably better than Miami, too.

Still some strange defensive lapses

and questionable mental lapses like the in bounds passes

They did a good job recovering after that Glory T.

Take that away and this might be a 30-point margin. Not sure what more I’d ask for against a top-10 team.

Well trying to minimize the silly mistakes

like those in bounds passes would be nice.
I find that kind of stuff to be inexplicable

The staff knows Ky is going to challenge the in bounds

and press after every made bucket
so there should be a couple of easy schemes for dealing with that

I'd be more concerned if it affected their focus.

The response post-Glory’s T was a little disconcerting, but also understandable (that call isn’t even in the venue of calls I’d expect on that play). Those things will happen against an aggressive team, but the point’s noted.

Damn Kinna - that's two in bounds passes

that were right at the defender?/???

Stricklen passed too close.
And I thought that was a reach, not a travel.

Well, okay.

Gameflow is interesting.
I'm cheering for foulouts now.
Did Glory just draw a charge?
Wow Glory gets a charging call
I just realized.

I wish I had heard Mickey’s call on Glory’s technical.

Looks like KY is giving it up early now

and looking at a serious blow out

Too early to talk breadsticks?
Stricklen or Simmons?
That's what I'm dealing with.

Stricklen’s done work on the inside, too, but Simmons has been a spark and catalyst all right. I kinda think Simmons landed the early daggers, but Stricklen finished the job.

Actually, Stricklen by the stats.

More points, more rebounds, fewer turnovers, more blocks, same number of assists. Only one less steal.

Yeah, I'm leaning toward Stricklen.

Imposition of will, too. How often has she acted like the best player on the court?

And then Simmons does that.
I feel a little better about Meighan.

I’m still scarred, but she’s pulling a sophomore Glory.

Looks like breadsticks all around tonite
Pace: 93-55.
This was eerily close.
It was the same action all game long.

UT played a 3-2 zone for 40 minutes, and Kentucky had no way to adjust. That pretty much keyed everything.

I WANT THAT BRACKET YES PLEASE OKAY THANK YOU
Really a great game by the Lady Vols tonight.....kudos to Coach Summitt and her charges...

But I could use some help…..do any of you know how the tiebreakers work for the Women…..with us being 1-1 against each other, if it comes down to it I wondered where they go next?

Not a clue.

I think Kentucky will sweep the rest of the way, though. South Carolina is their best shot at a loss, I would guess. But if they tie, it might go to ranking.

Though right now, I'd vote for cumulative point differential in the head to head. ;-)
lol....cute
To answer earlier questions you've had:

we do think the pressure that the players have dealt with has affected their gameplay. This is the first game in a LOOOOONG time that they appear to just be out there playing.

Well, truthfully it is inevitable....no one can ignore the load these girls are having to carry.....

But they are holding up really well

There's more time than you think.
I worry about the second weekend of the tournament.
Same here.

But I’d worry about it regardless.

Oh it would not surprise me for them to come back and win both the reg season and the tourney....

Betting against Summitt is like throwing money into the air in a Vegas Casino…..

But it still has to weigh heavy on everyone associated with that program….its just human nature

Tourney yes. But the reg. season is out of their hands right now.
Kantner would get the #1 seed. ;-)
Looks like the same as the men.

Don’t know what the 11-12 tiebreakers are, but that’s what it is.

Who's hurt?
Mathies.

Ugh. That sucks.

Broken Nose? courtesy Gloy
Refs are viewing the replay.

Is Glory done for the night? ;-)

Yeah, let's just go with yes.
...they did something right?!

Be still, my heart.

The best part about Dee Kantner jokes is they're always right!
The worst part is they're always true.

/sadz

THEEERE's the makeup call.
Man, a Bass fast break layup would have capped this off quite nicely.

The crowd would have gone berserk. In a good way. Not a “whole first half” way.

Pssst. Peek at the rebounding margin now.
Wow.

I mean, I kinda knew that, but still.

So we were wrong about the score prediction, Hoop.

Weren’t even close.

I'm okay with that.
Okay, there's Harrison.
I have to get started writing a rather painful post-mortem, but congrats gang....well played tonight

See you in the Tournament

Every team has a game like this. At least it wasn't an NCAA tourney game.
Thank God!!!......
We've been feeling that way a lot recently. ;-)
I can wear orange in Lexington again without fear!

Hooray!

Glory has 7 boards.

Oh, and we’re subbing out the game stars. Notre Dame doesn’t understand why.

I feel *so bad* West Virginia beat them in South Bend, you guys.

Awful.

I liked Notre Dame before that.
On further reflection:

I like Miko’s hair.

Me too.

Really changes her. Much more contemporary.

Glory could possibly get a double-double if she plays this out.

I would love to see the fans react to that.

Seriously, they brought their A-game tonight.
She's on the bench.

Wise move. the worst of all possibilities would be a second technical for no apparent reason.

That doesn't mean she can't get one.
Only Manning hasn't scored tonight.
This game televised in $D
Does Stricklen still get the breadsticks?
Yup.

By the time she left, Kentucky’s heart had stopped beating. That was about 5 game minutes after she finished ripping it out with her cold, bare hands.

Second half only. Compare to the first half graphic up above.

I wasn't even aware Goss had 15.

Man, this game was over.

That was second half only.

Which means the rest of the team had 11 in the second.

Sheesh, Tennessee shot 59% for the game?
Mickey gives it to Simmons.

I’m ok with that.

Mickey is hoarse.

He’s probably been that way since … oh, some random, unspecified moment in the first half.

So:

UK turnovers: 20
UT turnovers: 19
UT assists: 22(!)

KeUK assists: 6
KeUK is the sound Coach Cal makes when in his laboratory.
Yeah, but I kind of expected that.
19 O-rebs to Kentucky's 9 D-boards.

!

4 by Baugh and 3 by Kamiko.

Athletic ftw.

Pts. off turnovers: 32-15 for UT.

Shooting % and all that, but that’s still a huge win for UT. Kentucky can’t win if they don’t own that stat.

They have to limit assists and win the turnover battle.

I mean, obviously they didn’t win that either, but still.

Yup.

In a lot of SEC games, Kentucky has trailed for much of the game and won when the opponent ran out of gas. They’ll absorb fouls all game long if they can tire out the starters.

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