SBNation is already having their first BlogPoll of 2012, and because I think this is kinda fun (and because I wanted a reason to stop thinking about 2011), Chris tasked me with preparing our ballot. If he'd done it, the SEC teams would've just been 1-14.
I took it somewhat seriously and somewhat lightheartedly. It has almost all the elements of your standard preseason poll, if I do say so myself. Notes on what exactly that entails after the jump. As usual, berating me for being an idiot is a-okay. That's what this stuff is for.

The Elements of a Preseason Poll
- The teams that everyone always ranks in the top five. LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Southern Cal (returning pretty nearly everybody and done with the bowl ban that's had them spiked from our poll), and Oklahoma. Is there ever any doubt about these teams starting in the top five? LSU, Bama, and Oregon all lost a lot, but they also have track records of overcoming heavy losses. Oklahoma didn't lose so much, but they have a track record of being a preseason favorite and not winning it all.
- The teams that aren't worthy of filling out the top ten but go here by default. Georgia, TCU, Arkansas, and South Carolina. Arkansas loses all their receivers, but Petrino, right? South Carolina finished 2011 in the top ten by default and start 2012 the same way after trading Alshon Jeffrey for Marcus Lattimore. Georgia returns everyone for what should be a scary defense, but because they are Georgia, will probably crumble under the weight of expectations and go 7-5. TCU returns a lot from a solid top fifteen team.
- The teams that are always overrated in preseason. Clemson, Florida State, Notre Dame. There's a reason they're rated highly again. Clemson returns everyone from a scary good offense and nabbed Brent Venables to shore up a sieve-like D. Florida State was preseason top ten last year and got everybody injured. They're now all back. Notre Dame is in the top 25 by tradition but also returns a lot from a team that was sometimes good. All of these teams should, by all rights, finally live up to the hype this year. My guess is two of the three fall hard.
- The high-fliers. Louisville, Washington. You always have to vastly overrate a couple teams that may be on the cusp of breakout seasons. If they break out, you look like a genius. If they don't, you pretend it never happened. Or say "they were fliers, remember?" Louisville returns pretty much everybody from a team won a share of the Big East title (after being picked last in the preseason poll) and beat West Virginia. Their defense should be scary, and their offense up to passable. Washington returns most of an offense that put up a lot of points on a lot of people, and they added three fantastic defensive coaches in Justin Wilcox, Peter Sirmon, and Tosh Lupoi, making them your West Coast breakout candidate. Honestly, Tennessee could go in this category, but a possible change to a 3-4 and questions about whether Justin Hunter will be 100% keep them out. Also, let's try not to be too homerific. West Virginia is another strong candidate for a breakout season in Dana Holgorson's second year, but they're a more trendy pick and Holgo's first year was extremely uneven, so I left them in the middle of the pack.
- The BCS teams who should go from average to good but not great. Georgia Tech, Utah. Tech returns a lot from a team that flirted with the top ten at times in 2011, and the Utes look to return to form after an obvious rebuilding year. Unlike the last category, you don't have to look for under the radar teams here. These are just bottom of the poll filler and will probably receive votes near the bottom of lots of ballots.
- Teams that lost way too much to expect to be good but are too often good to leave out entirely. Boise State, Wisconsin, Stanford, Oklahoma State. Broncos lost the classes responsible for the last two years, Wisconsin lost their offensive coordinator and star quarterback, Stanford lost the #1 draft pick, Oklahoma State lost their star QB and a top ten draft choice at WR. But they were the cream of the crop in 2011 and have all been doing it for a couple years now. So you have to give them some respect.
- The (non-BCS) low-fliers. Louisiana Tech, Central Florida. There are always a couple non-BCS teams that hang out near the bottom of the top 25. They're usually not there in the preseason though, so calling them has a similar risk/reward structure as the high-fliers. Tech returns most of a team that won the WAC and gave TCU a hard fight in their bowl game. UCF returns almost everyone from a disappointing season in which they lost more than their fair share of close games. The rest of the C-USA should take a step back, so it's theirs for the taking.
- Barely left out and bucking the conventions. Ohio State, Kansas State, Virginia Tech, BYU, Auburn, Nebraska. All of these are prospective top 25 teams, but when everyone is 0-0, while it's tough to find a lot of legit title contenders, it's easy to find 35 teams that should be decently good. Ohio State is eliminated on the Trogan rule (bowl ban). Kansas State returns most everybody from a top fifteen team and should be top fifteen, except that their luck can't hold another year, can it? Virginia Tech is always in the preseason top fifteen, but I felt like bucking a major preseason poll convention. They disappointed in 2011 and have to replace four starting offensive linemen. BYU may finally kinda be back but also maybe not. Auburn returns a zillion starters and should be extremely talented but must replace both coordinators, including the mighty Gus Malzahn, who I suspect is the main reason they were ever good. That and Cam Newton. Nebraska returns everyone from a team that started in the top fifteen and disappointed. They should be a top 25 team, but I'll expect something other than more disappointment when I see it.
- Who did I miss? Oh yeah, those middle guys. Michigan State, Michigan, West Virginia. Sparty returns a fantastic defense but loses a clutch QB. Michigan returns a lot from a decent team, but Denard still can't beat State. West Virginia could have a year two breakout but was very uneven in year one. What to do with them? Stick 'em all in the middle.
NO TENNESSEE = FAIL
WHY ARE YUO ROOTING FOR DOOLEY TO FAIL I_S??!?!?!?11111eleven
danmarcel - January 19, 2012
WE DONT HAVE SUPPORT FROM OUR FANBASE CLAAAAAAAY
DOOLEY’S A GREAT COACH HE JUST NEEDS SUPPORT FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
/trolling it wrong.
bobothevol - January 19, 2012
Should've changed it to Trogans.
Chris Pendley - January 19, 2012
wait, I can do that?
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Yeah, you can just edit the team name in the post body.
Chris Pendley - January 19, 2012
Wait, only 5 SEC teams?
Chris Pendley - January 19, 2012
but they're all in the top ten, so that makes it better, right?
I noticed after I submitted that I had the same number of SEC and Pac-12 teams, but the SEC teams are ranked way higher. The only other conference with more than three might be the Big XII if they ever figure out who’s actually in their conference
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I have to admit, I get a kick out of seeing just how badly that journalist sticks out.
One of these things is not like the other.
David Hooper - January 19, 2012
I just love
The front guy with the half arm swing, then full arm swing. So fly.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Anyone else see the humor in Louisiana Tech being in the top 25 when Tennessee's not?
Anyone?
TennesseeTyrants - January 19, 2012
NO AND NEITHER DO YOU
;-)
David Hooper - January 19, 2012
Maybe we should trade coaches
Caban - January 19, 2012
but we should definitely keep the recruiting coordinator that got them such top level talent
:-/
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Outside the Top 25
Does anyone else know if this is the longest stint that TN has been outside the top 25? Its been since like the beginning of the 2008 season since TN has been in the top 25. I really think TN makes it back there this season, however the switch on Defense does make me a little nervous. That being said I don’t really think they switch to a 3-4 base all the time. I believe Dooley when he says they intend to be multiple running what they will be best suited for and what the defense is able to pick up in the spring and summer.
docrok - January 19, 2012
I also think we have a pretty good shot at being ranked this year (if Hunter comes back healthy, etc)
but I’m less inclined to take a flier on my own team because I’ll already be excited enough if they end up ranked and I don’t need to feel depressed AND stupid if they don’t
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
We were ranked 18th in the preseason 2008 poll
and bounced immediately with the loss to UCLA. So that’s one week shy of four full years.
You have to go back to the beginning of Majors’ career to find anything like that – under Bill Battle the Vols were ranked 16th but lost to Alabama on the Third Saturday in October 1975 and dropped out of the poll. Battle was fired at the end of ’76, Majors took over and went 4-7 in ’77 and 5-5-1 in ’78. He got us back in the poll in ’79 after beating Auburn in September, and we made four appearances in the Top 25 that season. We were ranked 19th when Ole Miss beat us in mid-November. The next time we were ranked was six years later after beating Bo Jackson and #1 Auburn in 1985. So we were unranked from October ’75 to September ’79, and from November ’79 to September ’85.
Starting in ’85 though, we were ranked at least one week every year until 2009.
Will Shelton - January 19, 2012
Nice information....
Thanks I kind of figured it was at a long time, I knew during the Battle years and shortly thereafter we would have been unranked but I did not realize that so many of Johnny’s years were outside the top 25
docrok - January 19, 2012
Virginia Tech is in an interesting situation
Nine back on defense, but on offense they get Logan Thomas and their center, and that’s pretty much it
Will Shelton - January 19, 2012
yep. their defense may be the best in the ACC, but that offense. . .
the situation is not entirely like Michigan State and Texas, both of whom should be fantastic on defense and have some serious question marks on offense. But I give Sparty the benefit of the doubt because they have a proven record of success whereas Texas has struggled mightily the last two years and Tech’s vaunted defense still hasn’t proven that they can actually stop Clemson
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Imagine
Imagine the trouble they would have with West Virginia! LOL
docrok - January 19, 2012
I will take FSU's defense over VT's all day as far as best in the ACC.
Most have them 2nd to only LSU going into next year. They finished in the top 10 with everybody coming back including landing another top 3 class(#1 DL class) this season. VT gets their numbers vs a weak ACC schedule and the weakest OOC schedule imaginable. I dont blame VT for scheduling a laughable OOC as they are rewarded in the end with a BCS bowl. I wish FSU would schedule accordingly until teams are rewarded for playing tough OOC. This year’s VT team was the worst I’ve seen in years but you wouldnt know it by their record.
cerebralfish - January 19, 2012
I could be convinced of that
although I do respect Bud Foster in general, and they do return a ton of starters (as the Noles do too)
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Where is Arizona State?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Are you actually ranking Louisville 12?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I was trying to talk him into putting Florida State at 5.
Either that or ranking all the SEC teams 1-14.
Chris Pendley - January 19, 2012
lulz...
I fully expect Louisville to turn in another 7-5 season… along with about half of the Big East.
I can’t come up with a single Big East team that should be ranked… I could see Pitt, Syracuse, Cinci and/or Louisville getting there at some point… but none of them should be a favorite to get ranked.
Caban - January 19, 2012
I honestly think that going 5-1 in their last six was genuine growth and not just Big East wackiness
yeah, 12 is a little high, but it was fun. Also, I wanted to keep them ahead of West Virginia. Scoreboard.
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
since I've made my Louisville argument, thoughts on the chances of the rest of the Big East
*Pitt. Four coaches in 13 months. I’m not even making this up.
*Syracuse. They were terribad for much of 2011. I’m not convinced.
*Cincy. Loses Collaros (they were 1-2 without Collaros in 2011). Loses Pead. Loses DJ Woods. All three of those guys were legit.
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Just think the rest of the Big East will have talent issues...
and depth issues.
Caban - January 19, 2012
which is one of the reasons I see Louisville with a shot at a gaudy record
they might not play a top 25 team all year if West Virginia leaves. And if West Virginia doesn’t. . . well, they did beat WVU this year. In Morgantown.
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
So your preseason top 25 isn't a list of the best 25 teams?
It’s a list of best 25 expected records? Is this what you’re saying?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
aren't top 25 lists
a combination of both of those?
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012 via Android app
I did say in the post
Preseason polls are only partially serious. You throw out a couple strange ones in hopes that they’ll make you look good. I think Louisville has potential to do that.
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Not responsive
Do you think they have the potential to be the 12th best team in the country next year?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I think they may well rise that high in the polls next year
as far as whether they have the potential to be the legit 12th best team depends in large part on whether there’s a strong batch of teams in the 10-20 range or whether everyone’s just trying to see who fails least. In the latter case, they might. Do the other teams in the 12-18 range inspire that much confidence?
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
They inspire enough confidence that I'm advancing this position
Having fun with Louisville and ranking them 12 are two different things.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
that's fine
I could’ve just as easily put them in the mid to lower teens and done the same thing. But I didn’t particularly feel like moving up Michigan or Michigan State, so I went with this
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
but if I had them behind that next group of three, that wouldn't bother me much either
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
and the reason I say the next three teams is because the 4th is West Virginia
and I think Louisville beats West Virginia on a neutral field
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I have to do something a little crazy in a preseason poll
and it’s not like there are just a whole bunch of teams begging to be ranked that highly
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I like the way Louisville finished
And I don’t think they are a top 25 team now. And I don’t think they’ll be a top 25 team next year. Big East.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
As much as it disgusts me,
I’d actually put usc at #3, and be tempted to put them at #2.
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012
ranking Oregon above them might've been a little bit colored by personal preference
but Chip Kelly has done good work turning in good teams even when losing a lot
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
the justification is really just Chip Kelly > Lane Kiffin
and if you dare talk about the 2011 scoreboard, I will remind you that Oregon was in HUGE letdown spot (played one week after a road win in Palo Alto)
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
2011 scoreboard
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Oregon was in HUGE letdown spot (played one week after a road win in Palo Alto)
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Every game is a letdown spot
When you lose
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
except that that's nonsense
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Trying to accurately predict when a group of 85
20 year olds you don’t know will have a ‘letdown’ is according to hoyle nonsense. #fact
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
so you don't think DD home favorites a week after big road wins perform particularly poorly?
I don’t know where to find these statistics, but I’m pretty sure you’d be wrong on that one
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Find those statistics
And then we’ll talk.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I know a gambler who uses that situation in the great majority of his plays
and his winning percentage from year to year says that it’s real. I don’t know if the actual numbers are even available, let alone where to find them, but letdowns are a real thing
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Find those statistics
I’m not sure how to respond to an anecdote about a guy you know.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Ocean's 11 quote
“You know a guy”?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I'm not sure why the burden of proof is on "letdowns are a thing"
instead of “letdowns aren’t a thing.” You have any statistics to backup your position?
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Because it's much easier to prove a positive...
than a negative
Caban - January 19, 2012
all I've got right now
are double digit bowl underdogs covering 65% over the last decade, which is pretty course-grained by covers a lot of the standard letdown scenario of being disappointed with your bowl opponent. finding more fine-grained stuff is hard to do, even with the Internet, and we may be stuck at an impasse
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Burden of proof has to lie with you on this one
I’m the skeptical one, and you said letdowns are real, and you gave a specific position as to when they happen, and you even have a buddy that swears by it.
I’m certain that letdowns are real, but I don’t think you can predict them. I don’t think I can predict them. I don’t think your buddy can predict them. Are you just putting them into the box of home DD favorites after a big road win? Or do you predict letdowns in other spots? Did your buddy really predict a letdown against USC? Or is that just a post hoc rationale and in actuality it was just that they shouldn’t have been favored by double digits because USC was legit?
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
And because it's much easier to prove a positive...
…than a negative
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
then I misunderstood your argument
I thought you were saying letdowns were always just an excuse for losses and not a real thing. I agree that they can be difficult to predict. There are some obvious spots that scream letdown (double digit home favorite after a big road win being one of the best-known), but some coaches are much better than others at managing their teams’ emotions. I do know people who make money predicting them, but that’s not to say it isn’t tricky.
As far as Oregon and Southern Cal, I and my buddy both missed it, but it’s one of those ones that makes me look back and say “it fit so perfectly into a situation that I play 80% of the time, how did I miss it?”
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
"but some coaches are much better than others at managing their teams’ emotions"
I agree with this, which is why I think it is very difficult to predict which games are going to be letdown games.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
there are some that are just really obvious
the clearest examples this year probably being Nebraska/Michigan State and Iowa State/Texas Tech.
And there are some trends that you can find with individual coaches. Lane Kiffin, for example, seems to be pretty good at avoiding letdown/hangover games in the situations you might expect (covered the week after the ’09 Mt Cody loss and after the ’11 3OT Stanford loss). Ron Zook, on the other hand, ALWAYS succumbs
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I agree that Kelly>Kiffin
and Kelly has reloaded in the past, but I’d have to take a proven SC over a reloading Oregon. I definitely see your point though
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012 via Android app
I wouldn't drop Stanford THAT far...
Yeah, they lose a lot… but they have been awfully consistent lately.
Also think UGA at #6 is waaaaay high, but there isn’t much of a choice. Their great season last year was a byproduct of the schedule, while in reality they were equal to the other 4 teams in the East that kept having close games.
Caban - January 19, 2012
most other preseason polls I've seen had Stanford dropping out entirely
and I agree with you on Georgia, but who else do you put at 6?
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
yeah...
Brett Nottingham did get a year studying under Andrew Luck, and was one of the top QBs in his recruiting class. I expect a drop obviously, but I still expect them to have a pretty good QB.
Watch Stanford win the NC next year, Tee Martin Part Deux.
Caban - January 19, 2012
I see them losing at least 3, possibly 4
USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, and possibly at Washington
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012
I'm with you on not expecting near the dropoff that some are
when you do the kind of things they did this year, it’s not ALL your quarterback. But there’s also some delayed reaction to losing Harbaugh, I think. Figure that Luck kept things together for the first year and now we start seeing what the new coach has. They’re a tricky case. Next time we have an offseason preseason poll (and there are a couple more), I should probably bump them into the Boise State/Wisconsin group
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
of the people who have turned in ballots so far
only one has Stanford higher than #15.
Six have Georgia in the top five (The Smoking Musket has them #1), and the median vote is #6
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I just noticed something comforting... and something hilarious
NC State was #6(1.09pg/+16) in the country in turnover margin, and all they managed was 8-5. Their other states range from mediocre to flat out awful.
And Memphis was #7(1pg/+12) in turnover margin, and it won them all of 2 games. One of which was against Austin Peay.
For reference we were exactly even in turnovers. 18 takeaways and 18 giveaways.
Caban - January 19, 2012
at least someone can beat Austin Peay
/wrists
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Derek Dooley #5 in Coaches Hot Seat's first 2012 update
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/
Caban - January 19, 2012
looks fair
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
sounds about right,
I’d move tuberville down a few spots though.
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012 via Android app
why?
two straight losing records in the Big 12 (Texas Tech had previous not had a losing conference record since 2000), and a 2-7 mark this year are pretty damning
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I didn't say move him off the list
but I’d put Dooley and Akey above him
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012 via Android app
not sure about Akey
but Texas Tech had a lot more recent success when Tuberville came in than Tennessee did when Dooley came in. And I don’t think they had so many injuries last year. It’s a bit academic, because both seats are pretty hot. But I like having Tuberville way up the list
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
however, I am really not convinced that David Cutcliffe and Rich Ellerson are actually on the hotseat
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
Cut possibly, but it doesn't feel like it.
Ellerson seems safe after last year for a few seasons
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012 via Android app
Does Duke have a hot seat?
cerebralfish - January 19, 2012
They probably shouldn't
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
For argument's sake... Why shouldn't they?
Are their admission requirements that much more stringent than Stanford, Vandy, Notre Dame, ect.?
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012
No, apathy is already deeply embedded in the Duke FB fanbase (if said fanbase exists)
Nobody is screaming for his head. Zero people.
kidbourbon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
this
I live in Durham. I have a class at Duke. I don’t know anyone who’s unhappy with Cut. I mean, I’ve only met one or two people that actually followed Duke football, but they seemed fine with Cut.
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I like Cut as a coach,
and I guess 3-9 is a step up from 1-11, but I guess its the apathy I don’t understand. I guess its just too engrained to change? I think Duke is a great University (obviously. lol), and it just baffles me how they are always down.
VolfanatETSU - January 19, 2012
They de-emphasized football...
along with a ton of private schools(Vandy, the Ivy League, Northwestern) after WW2.
Caban - January 19, 2012
I think only 1 of those 2 attend their home games.
cerebralfish - January 19, 2012
I love all the local commercials with David Cutcliffe imploring Durham residents
to fill out Wallace Wade Stadium for Duke football. Cracks me up
Incipient_Senescence - January 19, 2012
I almost went to the
FSU Duke game last year because I had that weekend off but decided against it. Then when I watched on TV I realized I wouldve had the stadium pretty much to myself. I’ll actually go next time now that I know I can walk down and sit on the 50.
cerebralfish - January 20, 2012
Wait, Mike Riley is #2?
That just sounds wrong.
Chris Pendley - January 20, 2012
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