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Kentucky 65 Tennessee 62 - The Right Direction

In some ways, if this was any other second ranked team in the nation that wasn't named "Kentucky", both teams would've walked out of the gym feeling good about themselves today. People take it for granted because they do it every year now, but a team playing tons of freshmen and sophomores getting a tough, grind it out win like that on the road is a major accomplishment. Their fans will probably be quick to tell you that last year's team doesn't win this game at this point of the season on the road.

It hurts for us because it's Kentucky, of course. We're better at beating them than any other SEC team is, and Tennessee had its chances today. So to be so close and to come up short against Big Blue in our own house is very frustrating; Kentucky has now won four straight in the series.

But in other ways, because it was Kentucky, Tennessee should continue to hold its head high. And all of us - all of us - should continue to know and believe that Cuonzo Martin has Tennessee moving in the right direction, just as John Calipari has this Kentucky team doing the same. Kentucky has now won the same number of SEC road games (2) it did in the entire 2011 season.

And Tennessee, same as they did against Florida in victory and Mississippi State in defeat, showed that the Vols are going to be a factor every single night.

Let's hold off on Jarnell Stokes for a moment, because there were other really good things about this game and I don't want his very impressive debut to be the only story. Jeronne Maymon continues to lead, another double-double with 15 points and 10 rebounds. Maymon did what Tennessee hasn't been able to do for the last month today: get to the free throw line, which was especially important against Kentucky's forest of defenders in the paint. Tennessee made a point to get it inside (Kenny Hall added 8 points in 18 minutes), and found success from their post players even as Kentucky was credited with eight blocked shots.

It was team defense, again, that put Tennessee in position to win. Austin Peay shot 59.1% against the Vols, then Charleston followed up with 49.0%. Though the Vols improved by holding Asheville, ETSU, and The Citadel to under 45%, Memphis had success at 47.2%. But to open SEC play, the Vols have held Florida to 35.7%, Mississippi State to 44.0%, and Kentucky today worked hard to get to 42.9%. Doron Lamb was held to 1 of 7 and UK got almost nothing from Darius Miller until he hit big free throws in the final seconds.

When this team plays defense like that, this team will have a chance to win. And today proved the point: it doesn't matter who the opponent is.

Star-divide

Now, let's talk about Jarnell Stokes.

A kid that just turned 18, hadn't played organized basketball in months, and was in his very first collegiate action against #2 Kentucky and their NBA post players? 9 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 charge taken, all in 17 minutes. (Stokes in the postgame on going against UK's players: "They're tough, but I was prepared. It don't get no tougher than battling Maymon (in practice).") He had a couple of "sorry, I'm new" moments on defensive assignments, but what did you expect?

Because I didn't expect this.

Tennessee's most talented team - the 2007-08 squad - was so dangerous because they could come down the floor and set up with Chris Lofton and JaJuan Smith on either wing, and Tyler Smith and Wayne Chism on either block. There was no way to account for all of them.

The Vols today, at times, had a lineup that put Skylar McBee and Cameron Tatum (16 points after an o-fer in Starkville, great to see) on either wing, with Maymon and Stokes together on either block. With Trae Golden, who had only two points but got six assists. That's a lineup that can give this team some terrific options on the offensive end.

That's where Tennessee truly lost the game today: tied at 54-54 on a Kenny Hall score with 6:59 to play, the Vols didn't score again until Skylar McBee's heave with 39 seconds left with UK up eight. The Vols kept going inside during that sequence, but couldn't finish and couldn't get to the line. Add in an ill-advised three from Golden, and we gave Kentucky way too many chances, and a good team like that will eventually take advantage against even the best defense. Today was the second lowest point total of the season for Kentucky. But they still found a way to win.

Kentucky, of course, is going to get even better. You look at Anthony Davis, who looks like he's still figuring out his own body at times, but is just such a force inside on both ends of the floor. And Michael Kidd-Gilchrist gives UK what UT does not have: someone who can go off the dribble and attack the basket successfully. He was the most important player today, which is really impressive considering he shot 4 of 11.

But the Vols are going to get better too.

The more Jarnell Stokes gets involved, the more chances will open up for other players in UT's halfcourt offense. The Vols could use more consistency from Golden and Tatum, but if what we saw from Stokes today continues to mature, Tennessee will have an incredibly strong (in every sense of the word) one-two punch in the paint. And Kenny Hall continues to be a nice piece of that puzzle as well.

And again: play defense like that, you'll have a real chance to win every night against any team.

It's cheap and easy fun to talk about how good the Vols will be next year, or the magic number to qualify for the NIT (9-7 in league play, or 8-8 with a win over UConn next Saturday). Calipari called the Vols an NCAA Tournament team in the postgame, and Cuonzo said, "If the season started today, we're just as good as anybody." UT's resume has already taken serious blows with too many close losses to good teams and that Austin Peay stinker. It would take something really, really strong from here just to get in the dance conversation, and all these close losses would have to become close wins the next time around. But look, you can always play your way into the dance in the SEC Tournament. It's not our job to worry about that right now, nor this team's.

This team's job is to beat Georgia in Athens on Wednesday. Tennessee didn't capitalize on the after-Maui momentum and the season went off-course. Now the Vols come off a three game stretch against three Top 20 teams where they've played really good basketball. The Vols have to take this thing to Athens and keep it moving forward.

This game was a heavyweight fight. When the Vols couldn't knock Kentucky out, the Cats wore UT down and won the decision in the end. But Tennessee will be there in the end. The Vols come to fight every night. And we're only going to get stronger.

POSTSCRIPT

Shoutout to all the big money donors in the lower level, especially on the TV side, who sold their tickets and their souls to UK fans. On the biggest football recruiting weekend of the year. Great job.

Get behind this basketball team or give up your tickets.

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Wednesday night is now huge

in the same way that Oakland was huge. But I feel better about it than I felt about Oakland.

And, while I’m largely behind all this “we’re gonna be really good” talk, we absolutely have to find a point guard. Our three point guards this week: Golden (two), Richardson (wing), and Tatum (wing). At least they’ve learned to get it up the court, but that’s still not what the team needs in crunch time. I know Landry is supposed to be legit, but he won’t be here until 2013-14, and he’ll only be a freshman then. I hope Cuonzo is beating down JuCo doors all across the country hunting for something.

Finally, the teamwork between Maymon and Stokes down low was astounding. After four practices, their passing is that good? Good, good sign.

I thought Golden was okay today

But we really had problems when he was on the bench. I think we’ll keep seeing more of the same: some nights he scores 20 like MSU, some nights he distributes when he can’t be a factor on the scoreboard. Not sure how much we’ll see of both, but I’m willing to chalk some of this today up to Kentucky being Kentucky.

but even when Golden is playing well

he’s not a point guard. he’s a two trying hard to be a point guard. I guess that’s no worse than a lot of what we had under Pearl. But Pearl’s system also minimized the need for one, since it minimized the time we spent in the halfcourt.

Also, when you take away his drive, it takes away his outside shot too. They’re linked somehow in his head—if he can’t drive, he just doesn’t get into a groove shooting. That was an issue today.

We've needed to find a point guard since C.J. Watson graduated.
yep

with the exception of a short period of Bobby Maze

The team as a whole

really got nervous in the paint both on offense and defense. So many of the turnovers were within 5 feet of the basket.

postscipt

I totally agree. I was not too happy hearing kentucky fans chanting through the tv.

it wasn't just in the lower level

except for the student section, even half the upper level was Kentucky fans

The upper deck is a different problem

UK fans have been there for years, and only at the height of Pearl’s power did they not infest the 300s in large groups. Those are unsold tickets that they have the same chance to buy as UT fans do once the ticket office makes them available as single game seats. That problem will get solved only by superior basketball.

But the lower level seats are season ticket holders, and the ones sitting on the TV side that close are paying bigger money to do so. My problem isn’t that UK fans bought available tickets. It’s that so many UT fans who bought those seats not only didn’t show up to see us play #2 Kentucky a week after we beat a ranked Florida team…but prostituted their seats for the easy money from UK fans. Some people will look at that and say, “Uh oh, Cuonzo isn’t bringing them in, could be trouble!” But the fact is, if you sold your lower level seat to a UK fan today, we shouldn’t be making any judgments about our program or our fanbase because of you. It’s embarrassing and those who did so should be ashamed. Be a fan or don’t.

Those upper deck seats are a decent place to watch a ballgame,

speaking as a Cats fan. It does allow for you to sit with a group that doesn’t hate the very sight of you anyway……lol. You have to have some serious stones to go into the lower arena with a group of less than 4 or so…..

My season tickets are on the second row of the upper deck

And I’ve gotten into it with UK fans up there my entire life – mostly good natured, give or take an argument about Ron Mercer and, well, the entire 2010 game. It’s a unique thing because up there, there is so much intermingling on every row that you just don’t see in any other sport.

I’m sure the lower level is bad for UK fans near our student section. But on the TV side, a bunch of those guys sit on their hands anyway. Even I got asked to sit down today for the very first time at a basketball game. Very strange.

But as always, it’s a credit to you all for traveling so well.

I complained about this during the game thread

The fans, in general, don’t seem to be behind Cuonzo because of the record…and that’s a shame. This team deserves better than that.

I've been preemptively complaining about this

since Pearl got fired

Folks are exhausted...

and they felt like the Pearl thing pulled the rug out from underneath UT basketball.

It will take a little while to rebuild their trust and patience. With Stokes I believe most of the fans can be pulled back into the fold by the end of the year… he’s the sort of exciting player that will attract fans just to see him and the NIT feels like a real possibility now.

I’d even go as far as to say that I expect the NIT at a minimum now… The team we’ve had out there three games in a row was better than nearly the entire SEC, and will only get better as Stokes gets more minutes.

I'm also thinking McBee

if he can get on a run with his 3 pointers, and the team starts winning a couple of games, that might bring the fans back.

And folks are exhausted. The football exhaustion I feel has rolled over into basketball

until we get a road win (even over an inferior team), I'm cautious on "expect the NIT at a minimum" talk

and, while I agree with your diagnosis of the fans’ problems, I still think it’s extraordinarily unfair to Cuonzo and this year’s guys. None of what happened is their fault. It’s not even the fault of UT basketball in general. It’s the fault of Bruce Pearl, who is gone.

When in obvious rebuilding mode, it’d be nice to have some fan-generated momentum, even though it’s probably not realistic.

Unfair or not...

it’s reality.

And if we can’t handle Georgia or South Carolina on the road, then we’ll have regressed in a big way from these past 3 games.

true on both counts

but I will say that my memories of Bruce Pearl are growing less and less fond the more I watch Tennessee fans react to him not being here anymore. (which also falls under the “unfair or not, it’s reality” category, as it probably is unfair).

And regressing against bad teams is often the MO of young teams. Which we are. Wednesday in Athens is big. Road game, sandwich game, and hugely important game to the momentum of our season.

wasn't here in the Bruce Pearl era

but I agree about the young team

I agree...

but after 3 good games in a row, it’s starting to feel less like playing above our heads and more like consistently good basketball.

Not to mention how much we’ve all seen a single very good player can improve a team.

3 good games in a row =

2 losses in a row

I'm not saying it's playing above our heads

I’m saying that young teams often play much worse than they ought to in certain situations. On the road and against a team they expect to beat handily are two prime examples of such situations. We’ve seen it before (Memphis, CofC, Oakland, Peay, UNCA, ETSU. . . )

It feels like the attitude of the entire program changed...

After FINALLY getting that big win over Florida and landing Stokes.

Actually seeing some positive results has been HUGE for these guys.

agree

I’ve been optimistic about Cuonzo the whole time, but I was starting to worry when we had a bunch of 3* commits and losses to mid-majors. The Stokes/Florida one-two punch has really energized the program and the fans who are paying attention. Hopefully the team will be able to keep up the momentum going on the road, and get the fans who aren’t paying attention to start

heck...

even in a down year, we’re still worlds better than every non UK program in the SEC when it comes to interest in basketball.

I’m sure some of that is the Lady Vols, but from what I understand it’s been that way ever since Ray Mears first kicked off his circus act.

Only point I'd raise...

is that without Bruce nobody would have been around to react to Cunzo’s hire.

Don’t worry, they will come back with positive results.

a fair point

but still irritated with our fans

In your last three games,

you guys have played three of the top five teams in the SEC right now. You won one, and lost the others by one possession. You still have tough games ahead but if Stokes builds on today’s performance, you are going to win several, maybe finishing as high as 10 and 6. Go deep in the SEC tournament and you have a shot as a bubble team. I’m hoping you win out with the exception of your visit to Lexington. Great game.

I agree that it's a shame.

and the fact that so much of the crowd were Kentucky fans was inexcusable.

And i’m not saying here that UT fans should be fair-weather fans, but it’s going to take a couple big wins (not just close losses, but wins) to win over the UT fanbase, as a whole, after losing to Austin Peay and College of Charleston.

we did kinda beat a top ten team (who is also a rival) just last week
exactly 7 days in that same building.

If you have those seats and don’t wanna go, shame on you…sell em to the good side…not the devil.

definitely

and if you’re in Knoxville, why are you not there?

the weather's cold?

it’s not football?
NFL playoffs?
Homework?

Fair-weather fan who knows they can get greater than face value for the ticket and doesn't want to buy into the program?

Orange Nation done grew up and inherited their seats from their parents.

if only they'd learn from the student session

That’s at least a group that won’t turn on the team quickly

Cuonzo mentioned in the postgame

that Renaldo might move to the small forward spot

He's not a 4 or 5

I don’t really know what he is, though.

The only thing I don't like about Stokes so far..

is how he apparently fist bumped Coach Cal after the game and talked about how much he liked him in the post-game interview…gonna have to teach that kid the disdain for Calipari….

How about a front court of Stokes, Maymon and Hall? With Tatum/McBee at the 2 and Golden at the point..sounds pretty formidable to me

for some reason

that makes me think of this clip.

In the land of upcoming opponents...

Vanderbilt leads Georgia 36-32 at halftime in Nashville.
Mississippi State is up 35-27 in the 2H vs. Alabama in Starkville.

And Auburn “upset” Ole Miss 69-68 in doubt OT at Auburn.

Florida at South Carolina(SECnetwork) and LSU at Arkansas(FSN) are the night games.

Want to raise the point...

That our basketball thread broke 600 posts… the only other game threads I can find for SEC teams are on ASOB and Dawg Sports(which has 28 posts).

Our fans obviously thoroughly care about basketball.

our fans care about everything
There are tennis and softball threads with hundreds of posts...

that agree with you.

Some of the most fun I had was on here trying to watch the NCAA Tennis finals on webcams.

#teamcurling
OMFG we have curling?

how did I not know that…

Imma leave this here

http://www.1980-games.com/us/sport-games/other/051.php

even better

http://www.playcurling.com/

im actually having fun with it...

multiplayer competitive curling… who knew?

Haha.

Yeah, that live feed was horrendous, but I really liked that people were on here posting in that thread. I would have felt like an idiot if I would have started that open thread and then nobody showed :)

I think I had more than 28 posts about soccer in that thread.

Maybe we just type a lot.

Keep the soccer thing up

I like this new tradition.

I can't believe...

that I’m having so much fun gambling my fictional soccer player’s winnings on horse races. New Star Soccer 5 ftw.

You guys played a great game today.....

good execution and well coached…….will be tough to handle later on….well played. Cuonzo Martin may end up being a steal for you guys.

On a side note.....Coach Summitt looked a bit out of it during the girls game against UK this week.

Knowing the disease she faces and the effects of the meds she has to take I know it has to be hard for her, but I was truly saddened to see how much she can no longer do on the sidelines. I hope trying to remain as Coach is not going to be too much for her. I have a lot of respect for her and what she has accomplished over her long career, and I hate to see her unable to do everything she wants to do.

I think she's trying to avoid too much in-game coaching and letting her assistants run with things.

That’s the impression I have from watching the rest of the LV games this year. I wouldn’t read too much into in-game decisions; you can only tell your coaches they have control, then wrest it from them, so many times before it stops working, and she’s not going to change that system now. She has a few years before it really starts affecting her, at least speaking from my experience.

I hope she is able to adjust and live a long time without any serious effects.
I have heard anecdotes

That it, at times, is really affecting her.

If Mike Hamilton got to pick Summitt's replacement...

who wants to bet we’re hire a middling coach from a SoCon school?

Lady Nooga's have a pretty darned good Women's BBall team, as I recall from my App State days.
Zo's got them playing very good defense

UK was more talented at every position, except Stokes. You figure Calipari is worth about 10 points in a big game because he stinks as a bench coach. So, it still should have been a blowout based on the talent differential.

But it wasn’t. Great, great effort. If we keep that kind of effort going, we will have some games break our way in the last few minutes and win some that we shouldn’t. As Zo adds more talent, we will build a really good program. A 500 season is asking for quite a bit but we may be pleasantly surprised. I like this guy a lot.

I usually find your posts quite overly pessimistic

but I agree with pretty much all of this. Except that Cal’s struggles as a bench coach are overblown. He’s far from a great one, but having a freshman-led team every year does present a unique set of challenges—it’s not like he should expect to waltz to the Final Four every year

I'm still not sure I can agree with this.

Cal wasn’t known as anything approaching a good X’s and O’s coach at Memphis, either, and he only really had a great run when he got an NBA MVP running point for him. Even with Rose, ultimately, it was his team’s inability to play with discipline and control that cost them a national title. And Kentucky still has far too many off days to make anyone really trust that they can put a streak together in march against elite competition.

they did make the Final Four last year with his worst Kentucky team

he’s not a great X’s and O’s coach, but he’s not a terrible one, imo. And it does seem that he’s learned from at least some mistakes (see: free throws).

Because bad freethrow shooting didn't let Tennessee get back into this game, or nothing.

And last years team was far from a non-Final-Four talent-level team.

You're really going to make that argument based on a single missed free throw? (they were 72% for the game, btw)

And I never said last year was a non-Final Four level of talent. You seem to be mistaking my argument for “Cal’s game coaching can cause his teams to overachieve.” All I’m saying is that his game coaching isn’t going to cause them to underachieve every time out (or most of the time out).

also, I feel dirty for making this argument at all
I feel dirty too

But I have to counter any argument that Coach Cal is a bad bench coach because it is just a conclusion and has no evidence in support thereof. You don’t go to three finals fours with three different teams, making it to the final game in of those if you’re a bad bench coach. It just doesn’t happen.

You're right: it didn't happen.

Coach Cal has not been to any Final Fours with any teams, IMO. (Last year will eventually be vacated like the other ones.)

Can't join you there

I don’t support or acknowledge the practice of wins being “vacated” by the NCAA. The whole idea is silly. Jesus from The Big Lebowski would say: “Laughable, man”.

You can take the banners down, but the games still happened. People that saw them still remember them. Heck, you can probably find them on youtube. Calipari has made it to three final fours. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes. #Fact

I would feel even dirtier by dignifying the NCAA in that respect than I would be defending Calipari.

Okay, I'll give the "Not completely LOLrible and absolute garbage ALL he can do is coach" admission

But he’s also VERY, VERY, VERY far away from the very good coaches at game planning and getting his players to execute fundamentals. How many times were we able to say Pearl coached Cal’s pants off? (And I understand that might not be totally fair, since Pearl is/was one of the best big-game coaches we’ve seen in the sport, lately.)

My posts may well be pessimistic at times but I think that's the state of the program right now. I'm not a fan of CLAAAAAY but try to see us as we are - in a balanced perspective.

I remember being blasted by others for saying that 6-6 was realistic last year after the Hunter injury, and Dooley put us at 5-7 after the players never showed up at Kentucky.

I thought we would get toasted in the NCAA hoops tournament last year, as I didn’t think we deserved to be there. The results would say that we didn’t.

Calipari’s weakness as a bench coach is not overblown and the legend is well-deserved. He routinely has Final Four talent, yet he rarely gets there. He won at Memphis because the talent differential was so ridiculous when compared to the rest of the league. He only needed a few more “quality wins” to get a high seed after blowing thru CUSA with 15+ wins every year.

Whoever announced the game yesterday had it right – Cal’s dribble-drive offense (that he lifted from someone else on the West Coast) – is designed to let the athletes beat the defense one-on-one without much in the way of set plays.

The UT game against Pearl’s Vols and the National Championship game against Kansas were perfect examples of Calipari being out-coached during the game.

I think Cal's greatest weakness

is the way he refuses to address or adjust to his team’s greatest weaknesses. His two most talented teams – ‘08 Memphis and ’10 Kentucky – had one obvious flaw: Memphis couldn’t shoot free throws, Kentucky couldn’t shoot threes. And both were directly responsible for their exit from the NCAA Tournament. I enjoy calling back to the Memphis/Kansas game more than most because, while that was a great shot from Chalmers, Cal chose to chalk it up to the will of God in the postgame instead of taking responsibility for the fact that he said all year his team would make the free throws they had to make, and they choked huge when it mattered most.

UK’s 2010 tourney loss was going to happen sooner or later. It was the same way we beat them in Knoxville: I dare you to shoot threes all night. 2 of 22 against us, 4 of 32 against West Virginia. That team had zero shooters, but wasn’t disciplined enough not to take 20+ of them.

I’m not sure what the fatal flaw of this year’s Kentucky team is. I hope they have one.

"He routinely has final four talent, yet he rarely gets there"

Three trips to the final four is rare? I disagree.

And he didn’t have final four talent at Memphis until he had Derrick Rose…and they made it to the final four.

Memphis lost that game to Kansas on free throw shooting. Explain to me how he was outcoached.

I'm pretty sure Coach Squid only has one Final Four appearance.

Just sayin’.

No, he has three

I’ve seen them with my own two eyes. See above post.

They lost that game in Overtime, too.
Not sure whose argument this supports

You’ll have to elaborate

UMass separated by a lot of years; once at Memphis in nearly a decade there; and once at UK

Despite having I don’t know how many Lottery Picks, top 5 recruiting classes, and the never been done before Five NBA First Rounders at UK…

I think that’s routine (ie almost every year) final four talent over nearly two decades of college coaching and just three Final Fours (and just one of them hasn’t been vacated but that’s another story).

Give Coach K, Roy Williams or another GOOD coach that kind of talent and it wouldn’t be just three visits.

Oh wait, it wasn’t…Coach K went to 11 Final Fours in 31 yrs and Roy did 9 in 24 years, Cal’s done 3 in 18.

Oh, and Caban!

I’m finally sorta figuring out EU3. I went with Spain (Castille?) and have Morocco, Algiers, Portugal, Navarra, and Aragon conquered up, plus a province or three in central Italy (it told me to!) and western Ireland. All before 1465! I feel Imperialous. Granted, I am playing on ‘Very Easy’ so.

Title

neat...

if you’ve conquered all of “Spain” and are still named Castille you should get a decision to unify the peninsula as Spain 50 years after you conquered the last of Aragon. Takes 50 years for provinces that aren’t yours to “core” eg: becoming legally recognized as part of your country.

Cored provinces produce a lot more in the way of income and have a MUCH lower revolt risk.

Lol, yeah.

I figured the merits/not of core provinces pretty quickly (the above was probably my 5th or 6th game). I enjoyed there for awhile having forced Morocco to concede their cores I controlled in one of the wars, then finding out you can’t build ANY units if SOMEONE doesn’t have a core on the province. >_> Oops. And Charge Calvary is so good, too!

lol @ England...

are those independent Cornwall, Wales and Northumberland I see? Someone must’ve messed them up.

The Spain missions to conquer Italy do have a basis in history, it’s some interesting stuff.

just imagine if the War of Spanish Succession had ended differently...

We’d probably still have Spance or Frain running around out there. And England wouldn’t have ever been the dominant world power in the 18th-early 20th centuries.

England is made up of

Scotland (2), Three independent countries, two of which are allied with england, one of which is allied with France….. And a Straight-up French Wessex. It’s safe to say France messed them up, yes.

also...

When you get really good, try one of the one-province Holy Roman Empire members, it presents one heck of a challenge. Or you can do what I’m trying which is actually sorta roleplaying each new king I get based on their stats.

I get an awesome king, and I go out and kick butt… I get a moron for a king, and hello intentionally(but plausibly) bad decisions.

In other video game news...

My Luxembourgish forward, Alyas Gray, was finally able to draw enough interest to get a transfer out of the godawful Luxembourg National Division. Got an offer from York City of the English Conference National… it was a pay cut, but the exposure will be so valuable come next transfer window.

Won man of the match in my debut too… apparently I transferred at the wrong time, as we’ve got a mismatch coming up vs. Man Utd in one of these national cups.

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